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		<title>By: Russell</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-83224</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. You Will Be Able to Keep Your Plan (you need to read the fine print)

You need to read up on &quot;grandfathering.&quot;  You can keep your own plan, but if the premiums increase and you make changes between now and 2014, you lose &quot;grandfather&quot; status (any change results in loss of grandfather status).  Grandfather status means keeping your own plan.  This means in 2014, you have to take the government mandated coverage (unlimited maximums on drug coverage, lifetime maximums, mental healthcare to name a few).  All this comes at a price.  You can not get something for free.  Expect the government mandates to cause your &quot;new&quot; plan premium to be HIGH.  

To me it&#039;s amazing we have decided we need a &quot;mom&quot; to take care of us.  We are too lazy to do anything for ourselves, we want someone else to do it for us.  

I work in the health insurance field and it makes me sick to talk with some clients.  They can afford a $70/month cell phone, $60/month cable tv, $500 a month car payment for some brand new car, but can&#039;t afford a basic health plan, because $150 is way too much to spend for health insurance.  I cut back on things and save as much as I can so I can take care of myself.  I own a 10 year old car, considering dropping cable now, and don&#039;t eat out at all.  I work 50+ hours a week.  I feel like I do my part.

I guess when they have some major event, it&#039;s my fault I didn&#039;t sell them a plan, because it&#039;s NEVER their fault...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. You Will Be Able to Keep Your Plan (you need to read the fine print)</p>
<p>You need to read up on &#8220;grandfathering.&#8221;  You can keep your own plan, but if the premiums increase and you make changes between now and 2014, you lose &#8220;grandfather&#8221; status (any change results in loss of grandfather status).  Grandfather status means keeping your own plan.  This means in 2014, you have to take the government mandated coverage (unlimited maximums on drug coverage, lifetime maximums, mental healthcare to name a few).  All this comes at a price.  You can not get something for free.  Expect the government mandates to cause your &#8220;new&#8221; plan premium to be HIGH.  </p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s amazing we have decided we need a &#8220;mom&#8221; to take care of us.  We are too lazy to do anything for ourselves, we want someone else to do it for us.  </p>
<p>I work in the health insurance field and it makes me sick to talk with some clients.  They can afford a $70/month cell phone, $60/month cable tv, $500 a month car payment for some brand new car, but can&#8217;t afford a basic health plan, because $150 is way too much to spend for health insurance.  I cut back on things and save as much as I can so I can take care of myself.  I own a 10 year old car, considering dropping cable now, and don&#8217;t eat out at all.  I work 50+ hours a week.  I feel like I do my part.</p>
<p>I guess when they have some major event, it&#8217;s my fault I didn&#8217;t sell them a plan, because it&#8217;s NEVER their fault&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Adams</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-82037</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 02:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry you have fallen into the TRAP...you aactually believe Pres. Obama
when he speaks. AARP and AMA have also been dooped. It is a matter of words; they don&#039;t mean the same thing to us all. Do you actually believe that
medicare can be cut 500 mil. without decreasing services? Dems have controled congress now for 4 years,yet abuse and waste are just as always.
Rationing?  Doctors must ALREADY cut the number of medicare/medicaid
patients seen monthly.  Please wake up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry you have fallen into the TRAP&#8230;you aactually believe Pres. Obama<br />
when he speaks. AARP and AMA have also been dooped. It is a matter of words; they don&#8217;t mean the same thing to us all. Do you actually believe that<br />
medicare can be cut 500 mil. without decreasing services? Dems have controled congress now for 4 years,yet abuse and waste are just as always.<br />
Rationing?  Doctors must ALREADY cut the number of medicare/medicaid<br />
patients seen monthly.  Please wake up.</p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-78193</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You made one of your myths that &quot;you will be able to keep you insurance plan&quot;

That might be sorta confusing to some people that you put a true statement in there with the other myths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You made one of your myths that &#8220;you will be able to keep you insurance plan&#8221;</p>
<p>That might be sorta confusing to some people that you put a true statement in there with the other myths.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-70772</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So i realized how much people were talking about this health plan reform and decided it was important enough to create a site dedicated to loving and bashing the obamas health plan. http://www.obamashealthplan.com , I would love to have some of you guy...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So i realized how much people were talking about this health plan reform and decided it was important enough to create a site dedicated to loving and bashing the obamas health plan. <a href="http://www.obamashealthplan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.obamashealthplan.com</a> , I would love to have some of you guy&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-70034</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anytime a peoples RIGHT to choose is superseded by  government edict, you no longer have democracy. If Obama wants to force us towards socialism, which apparently he does, he would be best advised to look at the long term affects of his politics in Russia, China, Cuba, Iran. Hey Mr. President, IT DOESN&#039;T WORK!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anytime a peoples RIGHT to choose is superseded by  government edict, you no longer have democracy. If Obama wants to force us towards socialism, which apparently he does, he would be best advised to look at the long term affects of his politics in Russia, China, Cuba, Iran. Hey Mr. President, IT DOESN&#8217;T WORK!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bonelle</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-57142</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What really hurts us all is that there are so many families out there having one child right after another and before you jnow it there are five or more kids plus 2 adults in the family all receiving the maximum of welfare help there is (health care, over $600 a month in food stamps, over $700 a month in a government program that pays their month&#039;s rent (no out of pocket expense there), over $500 a month in heating assistance, etc.Most of the families I know who live around my area live in a household like this where only ONE parent works (usually the mother). What.s wrong with this government making BOTH or the absent parent work to provide support for the big families they choose to have or enforcing more of a child support issue? It seems to me our government should be ″lessening″ the welfare help they give these folks and telling these parents: We can.t tell you how many kids you can have- BUT we can limit all the help we give you. If you want 5 or more kids, that&#039;s your perrogative but we will only give you help for 2 of them. You as the mother AND father should go out, get a job and support the children you choose to have. To hell with the excuses you want to give as to wh YOU CAN&#039;T! You want them- be responsible for them instead of relying on welfare help!! And EVERYONE, including those who originally were born inother countries should ALL fall under this new health care reform- even if you are illegal. Why give some all the welfare breaks while raising taxes n everything for the working, middle and lower class families. We have enough bills to pay as it is plus rates on everything from food to gas to taxes keep on increasing. I am one of those ones who keeps cutting back on so much where I havent had TV, internet or vacations since 1998 and still amhaving a hard time making ends meet. If I could afford health insurance I would have had it a long time ago but I dont!! And why is it that most everyone now wants to say ″they are disabled and cant work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really hurts us all is that there are so many families out there having one child right after another and before you jnow it there are five or more kids plus 2 adults in the family all receiving the maximum of welfare help there is (health care, over $600 a month in food stamps, over $700 a month in a government program that pays their month&#8217;s rent (no out of pocket expense there), over $500 a month in heating assistance, etc.Most of the families I know who live around my area live in a household like this where only ONE parent works (usually the mother). What.s wrong with this government making BOTH or the absent parent work to provide support for the big families they choose to have or enforcing more of a child support issue? It seems to me our government should be ″lessening″ the welfare help they give these folks and telling these parents: We can.t tell you how many kids you can have- BUT we can limit all the help we give you. If you want 5 or more kids, that&#8217;s your perrogative but we will only give you help for 2 of them. You as the mother AND father should go out, get a job and support the children you choose to have. To hell with the excuses you want to give as to wh YOU CAN&#8217;T! You want them- be responsible for them instead of relying on welfare help!! And EVERYONE, including those who originally were born inother countries should ALL fall under this new health care reform- even if you are illegal. Why give some all the welfare breaks while raising taxes n everything for the working, middle and lower class families. We have enough bills to pay as it is plus rates on everything from food to gas to taxes keep on increasing. I am one of those ones who keeps cutting back on so much where I havent had TV, internet or vacations since 1998 and still amhaving a hard time making ends meet. If I could afford health insurance I would have had it a long time ago but I dont!! And why is it that most everyone now wants to say ″they are disabled and cant work?</p>
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		<title>By: Val</title>
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		<dc:creator>Val</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncle B, may I say that your comment is fantastic.  It perfectly states what it means to be a Canadian!!  Thank you for that.  
DontTreadOnMe, I don&#039;t know what to think about the whole birth certificate thing, however, I do agree with you about the media and how they tend to direct us away from the truth.  At times I also feel as though they are terrorists!!  I will try to remember to be more skeptical in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncle B, may I say that your comment is fantastic.  It perfectly states what it means to be a Canadian!!  Thank you for that.<br />
DontTreadOnMe, I don&#8217;t know what to think about the whole birth certificate thing, however, I do agree with you about the media and how they tend to direct us away from the truth.  At times I also feel as though they are terrorists!!  I will try to remember to be more skeptical in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mills</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/obamas-health-care-reform-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-34635</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mills</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering what you found in Canada, can you imagine what you could have recorded in South Africa, which has a similar system. Even the doctors and nurses are leaving, some to go to Canada.

We lived there 47 years, and always went to private hospitals? One can not afford not to. More government involvement, less effeciency at greater cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering what you found in Canada, can you imagine what you could have recorded in South Africa, which has a similar system. Even the doctors and nurses are leaving, some to go to Canada.</p>
<p>We lived there 47 years, and always went to private hospitals? One can not afford not to. More government involvement, less effeciency at greater cost.</p>
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		<title>By: DontTreadOnMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>DontTreadOnMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m happy for you Uncle B.  But we here in the States have our own problem right now.  The man who was elected to the &quot;Office of the President&quot; has lost his CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

The time has come for the President to perform his duty to THIS country and show the AMERICAN people his birth certificate.  No certificate? Then all of these constitutional crimes go away; the czars, healthcare, all of it.  There are too many questions, too many doubts and he has been dodging far too long.  Where there is smoke there is fire.  The more AMERICAN people that begin asking for the proof, the less he and the major ANTI-AMERICAN broadcast networks will be able to ignore the AMERICAN people as they have done with so many other issues.  If there is the slightest doubt in your AMERICAN mind then you too need to be asking “WHERE IS YOUR CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?  

We have let the seemingly small things go and look where that has taken us.  I want to talk about it because they are in cover-up mode.  It would be such an easy thing for any one of us to show our AMERICAN birth certificate.  Why is it so difficult for him?  Why does he treat this country as if he is ashamed of it?  Why does he treat our allies as if they are enemies?  Why does he encourage Congress to ignore the will of the people?  Why did his wife refer to his home country as Kenya?  Why do people in Kenya claim he was born there?  Why will he not release his own school records?  Why does he disgracefully bow to the leaders of other countries?  Why does he admire dictators from other countries? THIS IS OBAMA’S WATERGATE.  WILL THE NEW WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN PLEASE STAND UP!  There is no need to impeach someone who is not qualified to be president.  Everything he has signed, ordered, or acted upon is illegal.  So I ask you Mr. Obama: WHERE IS YOUR CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE SIR?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m happy for you Uncle B.  But we here in the States have our own problem right now.  The man who was elected to the &#8220;Office of the President&#8221; has lost his CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.</p>
<p>The time has come for the President to perform his duty to THIS country and show the AMERICAN people his birth certificate.  No certificate? Then all of these constitutional crimes go away; the czars, healthcare, all of it.  There are too many questions, too many doubts and he has been dodging far too long.  Where there is smoke there is fire.  The more AMERICAN people that begin asking for the proof, the less he and the major ANTI-AMERICAN broadcast networks will be able to ignore the AMERICAN people as they have done with so many other issues.  If there is the slightest doubt in your AMERICAN mind then you too need to be asking “WHERE IS YOUR CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE?  </p>
<p>We have let the seemingly small things go and look where that has taken us.  I want to talk about it because they are in cover-up mode.  It would be such an easy thing for any one of us to show our AMERICAN birth certificate.  Why is it so difficult for him?  Why does he treat this country as if he is ashamed of it?  Why does he treat our allies as if they are enemies?  Why does he encourage Congress to ignore the will of the people?  Why did his wife refer to his home country as Kenya?  Why do people in Kenya claim he was born there?  Why will he not release his own school records?  Why does he disgracefully bow to the leaders of other countries?  Why does he admire dictators from other countries? THIS IS OBAMA’S WATERGATE.  WILL THE NEW WOODWARD AND BERNSTEIN PLEASE STAND UP!  There is no need to impeach someone who is not qualified to be president.  Everything he has signed, ordered, or acted upon is illegal.  So I ask you Mr. Obama: WHERE IS YOUR CERTIFIED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE SIR?</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canadian here - Canada&#039;s health care system works well for the Canadian mentality - a much different mentality than the American one! We are a Sociql democracy and we frown on rampant barracuda style Capitalism and Corporatism - Our votes still count ove and above those of the loggieats, and sharehoders votes, and we control our country very very closely - We can fold our whole government over a small thing like a poor economic decision by governing bodies, and live in a perpetual coalition with three or even sometimes four parties having voice in our affairs. Our dollar often exceeds the American sawbuck in value but we tame it with intereat rates, we are a resource rich country selling our &#039;Saudi Arabian&#039; sized oil fields to the world - China included. We love our American neghbors and share common ancestory and very strong family ties cross borders and would do nothing to harm Americans, they are us in a warmer climate! Most of us have large and extended family ties in the U.S. but we are not the same - our mentality allows for less corporatist and less capitalist control, balanced by a strong socialist flavor in all we do. We are multi-cultural and come in every color of the rainbow, not just blqck and white as is the American custom and we love it! We celebrate interracial marriages, permit homosexual ones and are for the greater part much more tolerant in these things than Americans - We have a strong sense of national pride but are hardly nazis! We are a unique people on the face of the earth and all of us partake in the Canadian medical system and vigourously support it. We do so go to the U.S. for expert help advice and even medical care and we recognize America as a center of excellence in some parts of some field! We never refuse our expertise to Americans either - we willingly give all we can to support the Free Western civilizations - We are good neighbours and try to keep our own backyard clean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canadian here &#8211; Canada&#8217;s health care system works well for the Canadian mentality &#8211; a much different mentality than the American one! We are a Sociql democracy and we frown on rampant barracuda style Capitalism and Corporatism &#8211; Our votes still count ove and above those of the loggieats, and sharehoders votes, and we control our country very very closely &#8211; We can fold our whole government over a small thing like a poor economic decision by governing bodies, and live in a perpetual coalition with three or even sometimes four parties having voice in our affairs. Our dollar often exceeds the American sawbuck in value but we tame it with intereat rates, we are a resource rich country selling our &#8216;Saudi Arabian&#8217; sized oil fields to the world &#8211; China included. We love our American neghbors and share common ancestory and very strong family ties cross borders and would do nothing to harm Americans, they are us in a warmer climate! Most of us have large and extended family ties in the U.S. but we are not the same &#8211; our mentality allows for less corporatist and less capitalist control, balanced by a strong socialist flavor in all we do. We are multi-cultural and come in every color of the rainbow, not just blqck and white as is the American custom and we love it! We celebrate interracial marriages, permit homosexual ones and are for the greater part much more tolerant in these things than Americans &#8211; We have a strong sense of national pride but are hardly nazis! We are a unique people on the face of the earth and all of us partake in the Canadian medical system and vigourously support it. We do so go to the U.S. for expert help advice and even medical care and we recognize America as a center of excellence in some parts of some field! We never refuse our expertise to Americans either &#8211; we willingly give all we can to support the Free Western civilizations &#8211; We are good neighbours and try to keep our own backyard clean.</p>
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