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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/save-money-with-a-high-efficiency-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-18195</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 03:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you use a jug in the tank just be sure there is no paper on it that will come off and slip under your flap in the tank.It will cost you a lot of money/water waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you use a jug in the tank just be sure there is no paper on it that will come off and slip under your flap in the tank.It will cost you a lot of money/water waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Ebenezer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ebenezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why not just fill up a 1/2 gallon jug and put it in the tank of your existing toilet. That would save you some money at no cost for new toilet.  I&#039;ve tried 1 gallon jug, but it won&#039;t fit.  

They&#039;re also toilet they make that have 2 different flushes for your purpose.  i.e. pull up for #1 and down for #2.  it uses less water for #1 and more for #2.  That would alleviate some of your pressure problems noted in the comments above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why not just fill up a 1/2 gallon jug and put it in the tank of your existing toilet. That would save you some money at no cost for new toilet.  I&#8217;ve tried 1 gallon jug, but it won&#8217;t fit.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;re also toilet they make that have 2 different flushes for your purpose.  i.e. pull up for #1 and down for #2.  it uses less water for #1 and more for #2.  That would alleviate some of your pressure problems noted in the comments above.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Kirk</title>
		<link>http://christianpf.com/save-money-with-a-high-efficiency-toilet/comment-page-1/#comment-12371</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is true that HET&#039;s are a good investment, make sure you get a WaterSense listed toilet. They have been tested by a third party to confirm it will work.  I suspect the first two comments (products that didn&#039;t work well) may be some of the original ULF&#039;s (Ultra Low Flush) 1.6 GPF toilets and yes there were many problems with them.

Regarding the savings quoted, the range of water use varies greatly across the country. The average is 90 to 160 gallons, with a portion of that being for outside irrigation. Inside water use is closer to 60 to 80 gallons per day and the statistical percentage of use by the water closet (toilet) is 26.7. Because the basis for savings in the article are averages and rounded off numbers the results are flawed.

To get down to the nitty gritty, when you replace a 3.5 gpf with a 1.28 gpf, the savings per flush is 2.22 gpf. The statistical average of flushes per day per person is 5 to 6. If for this example we use 6 flushes per day, times 2 people the water savings is 26.64 gpd. For a 30 day month, the savings would be 799.2 gallons.

Just as with water use, water rates vary around the country. Some areas have a flat rate (i.e. Sacramento) where no amount of water savings will put any dollars back in your pocket. I&#039;ll cover the other extreme in a few lines. Another savings to consider is sewer discharge rates which can be 2 to 4 times as much as the water rate. BUT sewer rates also vary, in some areas sewer costs are also flat rated.

If you&#039;re in an area with flat rates, nothing you do will have any monetary benefit for you. But you may avoid water shortages or an increase in the flat rates you are now charged.  

To compute your actual saving you have to find out what your water and sewer rates are. Typically they will be on your bill and stated in CCF (one hundred cubic feet). Since a cubic foot of water is 7.48052 gallons, one CCF is 748.053 gallons. If that is the case add the water and sewer rate to get the combined rate. Divide the gallons saved by 748.052, and multiply that by the combined water/sewer rate to find out your dollar savings.

The highest water rates I&#039;ve found are, believe it or not, in Seattle at 3.406/CCF. The sewer rate is also quite high at 6.56/CCF. The combined rate is 9.97/CCF. If my water savings as shown in my example is 799.2 gallons per month, the dollar savings calculate out to $10.65.

If however I&#039;m in Chicago where the combined rate is 1.772 the dollar savings is $1.89

A few more sample of the dollar savings per month based on combined rates of a selection of cities:

Albuquerque         $4.06
Atlanta                 $8.67
Colorado Springs  $5.05
El Paso                  $3.51
Fresno                   $2.91
Los Angeles           $5.09
Omaha                  $2.47
Portland                $8.14
San Francisco        $7.58

The median for the 50 largest US cities is $4.59.

With a 10 year life span the saving for the median would be $551.35 on a $300 investment. Just take into account that is if the water and sewer rates stay the same.

I hope this info is helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is true that HET&#8217;s are a good investment, make sure you get a WaterSense listed toilet. They have been tested by a third party to confirm it will work.  I suspect the first two comments (products that didn&#8217;t work well) may be some of the original ULF&#8217;s (Ultra Low Flush) 1.6 GPF toilets and yes there were many problems with them.</p>
<p>Regarding the savings quoted, the range of water use varies greatly across the country. The average is 90 to 160 gallons, with a portion of that being for outside irrigation. Inside water use is closer to 60 to 80 gallons per day and the statistical percentage of use by the water closet (toilet) is 26.7. Because the basis for savings in the article are averages and rounded off numbers the results are flawed.</p>
<p>To get down to the nitty gritty, when you replace a 3.5 gpf with a 1.28 gpf, the savings per flush is 2.22 gpf. The statistical average of flushes per day per person is 5 to 6. If for this example we use 6 flushes per day, times 2 people the water savings is 26.64 gpd. For a 30 day month, the savings would be 799.2 gallons.</p>
<p>Just as with water use, water rates vary around the country. Some areas have a flat rate (i.e. Sacramento) where no amount of water savings will put any dollars back in your pocket. I&#8217;ll cover the other extreme in a few lines. Another savings to consider is sewer discharge rates which can be 2 to 4 times as much as the water rate. BUT sewer rates also vary, in some areas sewer costs are also flat rated.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re in an area with flat rates, nothing you do will have any monetary benefit for you. But you may avoid water shortages or an increase in the flat rates you are now charged.  </p>
<p>To compute your actual saving you have to find out what your water and sewer rates are. Typically they will be on your bill and stated in CCF (one hundred cubic feet). Since a cubic foot of water is 7.48052 gallons, one CCF is 748.053 gallons. If that is the case add the water and sewer rate to get the combined rate. Divide the gallons saved by 748.052, and multiply that by the combined water/sewer rate to find out your dollar savings.</p>
<p>The highest water rates I&#8217;ve found are, believe it or not, in Seattle at 3.406/CCF. The sewer rate is also quite high at 6.56/CCF. The combined rate is 9.97/CCF. If my water savings as shown in my example is 799.2 gallons per month, the dollar savings calculate out to $10.65.</p>
<p>If however I&#8217;m in Chicago where the combined rate is 1.772 the dollar savings is $1.89</p>
<p>A few more sample of the dollar savings per month based on combined rates of a selection of cities:</p>
<p>Albuquerque         $4.06<br />
Atlanta                 $8.67<br />
Colorado Springs  $5.05<br />
El Paso                  $3.51<br />
Fresno                   $2.91<br />
Los Angeles           $5.09<br />
Omaha                  $2.47<br />
Portland                $8.14<br />
San Francisco        $7.58</p>
<p>The median for the 50 largest US cities is $4.59.</p>
<p>With a 10 year life span the saving for the median would be $551.35 on a $300 investment. Just take into account that is if the water and sewer rates stay the same.</p>
<p>I hope this info is helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael @ The Life Insurance Insider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael @ The Life Insurance Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 16:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got one at Home Depot for less than $150 when I cracked the old toilet making what was supposed to be a simple repair.  Grr.....  I was skeptical of its flushing power like Doug and Davis above, but it had an 8 out of 10 flush rating according to Home Depot so I gave it a shot.  

We&#039;ve never had a problem with the flushing power and it barely uses any water at all when it flushes.  I think these have gotten much better over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got one at Home Depot for less than $150 when I cracked the old toilet making what was supposed to be a simple repair.  Grr&#8230;..  I was skeptical of its flushing power like Doug and Davis above, but it had an 8 out of 10 flush rating according to Home Depot so I gave it a shot.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve never had a problem with the flushing power and it barely uses any water at all when it flushes.  I think these have gotten much better over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 15:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with Davis on this one.  In fact I&#039;d be tempted to go the opposite and buy a pressurized flush system just to avoid clogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with Davis on this one.  In fact I&#8217;d be tempted to go the opposite and buy a pressurized flush system just to avoid clogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 09:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is not accounted for in the above calculation though, is the &quot;high-efficiency&quot; toilet&#039;s inability to flush. I have a few of these new toilets in our house, and they are constantly backing up. I would say 20% of the time they do not do what they are supposed to. For thoroughness, I would suggest adding the cost of 1 flooding a year. That may just balance the savings out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is not accounted for in the above calculation though, is the &#8220;high-efficiency&#8221; toilet&#8217;s inability to flush. I have a few of these new toilets in our house, and they are constantly backing up. I would say 20% of the time they do not do what they are supposed to. For thoroughness, I would suggest adding the cost of 1 flooding a year. That may just balance the savings out.</p>
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